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Thunder Tiger Raptor 60 SE / V2

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Raptor 60 Supplemental Assembly Manual v1.6 - 15 September 2001

Disclaimer: Not affiliated with TT/ACE, no guaranties, no promises, use everything at your own risk.

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My Personal Raptors:

R60V2 #1 (3D with 90 mod):

Futaba 148DP PCM Rx, BC-6 Glitch counter, Hunter Alpine antenna, 1700SCR battery, (3)Futaba 9252 digital servos, (1)HS525 throttle servo, Futaba GY-501 gyro with 9205 servo, Futaba GV-1 governor set at 1600 and 1800 rpm, Ultimate Switch harness, OS91SXH with Enya#4 running 20% synthetic, TT90 clutch and bell, Helihut Muffler, Hayes header tank, Kalt fuel filters and shutoff clips, Uniflow tank setup, TT glow plug extension, 8.5:1 gear ratio via 11 tooth pinion, V30 Perry Pump, Mr.Carbon Frames & Boom Supports & tail control rod & H and V fins, aluminum A Arms and Oval flybar links, aluminum H fin clamp, KSJ Boom support bridge, MinAir Pro2 paddles and flybar weights, MS680 3D Carbon Main blades, NHP97 carbon tailblades, Boomstrike.com vinyl canopy stickers.

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Initial Impressions: The basic design follows the Raptor 30 which is a rip-off of the Bergen Intrepid. Same head, pitch and cyclic setup. There are some innovations, notably the aluminum and plastic frame construction. Frame layout bears a resemblance to the Robbe Millennium with its stacked, variable width straight sideplates. Assembly is straightforward although the instruction manual, identical to the R30, leaves much to be desired. Especially the first time assembler will have a hard time making sense out of the pictures on several steps. But then again if the manual was perfect I would have nothing to do at work all day.
Now while the design and engineering concepts are valid, the actual implementation left much to be desired. The initial kits and ARFs (called SE version) had serious quality control problems. Especially the plastic for the tailrotor gears and the main rotor head block was brittle and often warbed. Reports of in flight failures began to show up on the Net and in Newsgroups.
ACE/TT finally responded to the barrage of complaints and introduced the version 2 (V2) in mid July 2001. All kits and ARFs were upgraded and current owners of the SE version can get the new parts free of charge. The free upgrade includes all 5 tailgears (now white in color), main rotor headblock (silver paint in hole), two new tailhub setscrews (pointy tips) and a new Autorotation bearing (has sets of three small rollers).
With these upgrades the R60V2 finally came into it's own right. The tailgears don't strip as easily or in flight, the new headblock eliminated many vibration issues and the autohub doesn't lock up after a few flights.

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Upgrades and Changes

There were a list of problem upon introduction of the R60SE:

  1. Main Rotor Headblock drilled off center causing vibration.
  2. Main Rotor Head plastic brittle causing failure of head assembly and destruction of helicopter.
  3. Plastic A arms and flybar control oval links plastic brittle breaking the ball link causing loss of control.
  4. Red tailrotor gears brittle, cracking and stripping in flight causing loss of tailrotor control.
  5. Autorotation one-way bearing locking up in flight reducing autorotation capability.
  6. Main rotor blades warped and way out of balance causing vibration, pitchy forward flight and tracking errors.
  7. Torque tube ends inadequately glued into tube causing loss of taildrive.
  8. Clutch to clutch liner clearance excessive causing clutch shoe failures.
  9. Ball link balls screws too short causing balls to rip out of material and loss of control.
  10. ARF - setscrews inadequately tightened and not loctited causing loss of tailrotor drive/control


Due to the aforementioned problems, TT/ACE have come out with some improved/changed parts. This is good. What is bad is that there is no identifying marks on the new parts so until the suppy chain is purged, the old and new parts are intermixed. This, iaw Mr. Murphy, will bite somebody in the butt. Here is a list of changed parts:

  1. Red tail drive gears - new ones are white.
  2. Red big drive gear - instead of 4 holes it now has reinforced two holes.
  3. Spindle - Is now 1.5 mm longer so the extra shims are no longer required. No markings differentiate between long and short.
  4. A Arms - Cannot tell the difference except the new ones only break half the time when installing.
  5. Oval Links - See above.
  6. Autorotation one-way bearing - new one has different bearing (triple sets of small rollers vice one set of large).
  7. Head Block - Center hole a little smaller for better centering. Silver paint in Jesus bolt hole.
  8. Remolded Landing gear - holds canopy centered but still breaks often. No marks.
  9. Tail drive Torque tube - Improved glue on the ends, no markings.

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--- Here are a few basic, notable items that apply to both the Kit and the ARF: ---

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Upgrades and Modifications

  1. Metal Headblock
  2. O Ring Dampeners
  3. CF Tail Servo and Boom supports
  4. Gear Ratios
  5. Engine choices
  6. Frame Brace
  7. Main and Tail Blades
  8. Metal A arms

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Credits:
Burt Poppenga
Tony Groothuizen
Raj Patel
Michael Prewitt
The TT/ACE Newsgroup
The Raptor HeliList
rec.models.rc.helicopter Newsgroup
B&B Hobbies
Rick's RC Helis
HeliProz
Rotory Model Forum
RCOnline Heli Forum
and all you unnamed Beta Testers out there in the wild.

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